Ok, people. The deal with Elle was that she wanted Sylar to decide for himself who he wanted to be. She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy. After all, she is partly responsible for him turning out the way he did. Do you really think her guilt is so fleeting?
Think of the rental incident as a test, so that he would have to choose: Am I reformed? Am I going to walk away from this? Can I resist the urge, or will I kill? Note that we never get to see what happened other than that they get the car in the end.
Elle has always been a little off, a little inappropriate, has pulled stunts in public like that before. I think people need to pay more attention and not assume she's just evil--clearly she is more complicated than that.
Another point--Recall that Elle was very concerned when Arthur told Sylar to go after Claire. Do you think she was concerned about Claire? Bah. She was worried about Sylar getting in trouble. When they were in the cell at pinehearst, they talked about being able to decide who they want to be, instead of being raised or molded into something (Elle brings this up a number of other times--car rental place, for example). All the evidence points to Elle being genuine in her desire for Sylar to find himself. After all, she's been going through the same thing. Sylar is probably the only person on the show that could possibly understand her.
What is more, I'm pretty sure she thought they might be meant for each other. Two people, troubled pasts, troubled upbringing, together attempting to start anew.
One could even argue that this might have something to do with her lack of a struggle when he was slicing her head. It wasn't a scream, it was whimper. The last time he tried to slice her head open she blasted him with her "little electrical outburst," as Mrs. P described it. The question here is, why didn't this happen again? I suspect we'll find out something in the coming episodes that resolves this issue (but then again, I've thought that about many things and they just get burried under other dead-end plot lines).
...but then again, this might be the incident marking the turn back to evil for Sylar. We know he's a big component of hunting people with abilities in vol 4, so this could be the setup for that (I doubt it, but maybe).
I agree with alot of what was said above. Howerver, a few things to remeber is that what we do on this site is analize, analize, and then critique. There is so much to tell is this story that they are cutting corners.
1. HRG didnt shoot at the makeout cause he maybe a perve( maybe opening for a later story).
2. Hiro and Ando walked to the comic shop (no powers at the time to teleport)
3. I think they are going with something in the flip flop of Sylar. Remember, you cannot judge a Heroes season until its done.
Another thing. WHo said taht the powers were injected into everyone. The only people that we know of are the Ali Larter sexiness triplets, Nathan, and Seresh( whom I wish would fall on a hand grenade). It is a goal of Daddy dearest to give powers to an army. I just think that we are all fanatics gone wild.
I agree the writing is spotty at best but all in all it is still a great show. It was very hard to live up to season 1. The bottom line is we are all gonna watch it Monday. Some of us will watch it several times.. lol... lets let the story unravel and see how they pull it all together before we can it.
Sum1 Says:
December 5th, 2008 2:40 AM
I miss the days when Sylar was a magnificently villanous psychopath. Good times. Good times.
Gino-
"She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy."
yes she was. that was not how the scene was directed or acted. Elle is just as big a nutcase as sylar.
she was encouraging sylar to kill him.
what this i hear about sylar in volume4 searching for answers about his past. just go around slicing peoples heads open. that is what people want to see.
whatever happened to that picture of the world exploding?
and Hiros visit to the future where he saw that explosion?
Evan S. Says:
December 5th, 2008 11:52 AM
I agree with everything that has been said. The way this show goes now makes me seriously believe these writers are making up everything as they go along, episode-by-episode. There is no planning, only whims. It seems they prefer to just come up with some random crap one moment and leave you stumped and only "answer" the reasoning in these behind the scenes things. Don't get me wrong, that can be ok, but Heroes does it exclusively now.
Sylar losing all his powers except intuitive aptitude and telekinesis is a perfect example. So their answer to Sylar getting telekinesis back along with intuitive aptitude is due to the "emotional trauma"? That...makes no sense. Like I said, I don't mind leaving some questions unanswered and waiting for the writers to comment because most of the time the fans can figure them out. But how the hell could anyone come up with that!? I doubt the writers even knew, they probably forgot Sylar couldn't use telekinesis and just said to hell with it, we'll give some half-arsed excuse, as they did.
Jason Says:
December 5th, 2008 1:49 PM
Pablo
In the next two episodes were going to be introduced to a homeless man, played by Chat Faust (Kyle Bauldwin from the 4400) who has the ability to create earthquakes threw seismic activity.
This is the man who can tear the world apart and one of the main threats of the next volume. Along with Nathan and his army of super power soldiers
Jason Says:
December 5th, 2008 1:53 PM
Evan
The whole giving sylar Telekinesis is just utter bullshit. The only reason they let him keep that ability is because its his "main" power and the only reason hes a true threat. Theres infinite possibilities with telekinesis so they let him keep that power to keep him an imposing threat....
Problem is, they came up with a bullshit C rated excuses as to why he was able to keep that power...
like I said, bullshit
jason Says:
December 5th, 2008 1:57 PM
I dont need everything answered, leave me guessing some, leaving me wanting more, leave the intrigue and mysticism.
But when you do give answers... dont give bull shit cop out half ass excuses.
i. like most people, groaned when we found out that Sylar was a member of the Petrelli family.
but now if it turns out that he isn't, i think that could be the last straw.
Jason. Thanks man, i hadn't heard anything about that.
P.sthe great thing about season one was that it did leave many questions unanswered.
i really can't decide whether i think heroes can be saved or not.
this is the thing that gets to me most. the writers trying to get you to watch the next episode by building something up but then when it comes they don't know what they are doing.
the two biggest examples of this to my mind are:
1.ITS COMING..
what is? nothing happened?
2.this week a hero travels back in time to learn about the villains past.
ok. what did Hiro learn. nothing. and he can't remember it now anyway
3. didn't HRG big up Jesse's powers by saying something like "you don't want to know what this guy can do"
Yeah. Nothing. Sylar killed him in about 30 seconds.
it sounds like i really don't like heroes but i am trying to get through it hoping that it will improve.
i wish i could ignore all of this, but i can't
rachelle Says:
December 5th, 2008 5:18 PM
well this volume is titled " villians" and come on they cant make up their mind if sylar is good or bad. and knox we dont know all that well... Mr. petrilli, he is O.K. EXCEPT FOR KILLING ADAM MONROE! He was the ONLY good VILLIAN with a BACKROUND! ( he was my fav. villian!!!) This new writter better fix it!
Nicky Says:
December 5th, 2008 5:42 PM
Just one thing - the comic book store complaint. The comic book store that Hiro and Ando teleported to so that Hiro could "remember" was a completely different comic book store than than the one that they WALKED to after they lost their powers. The first comic book store (the one they teleported to) was in Japan. The second store (the one they walked to - as someone mentioned before) was in Kansas, probably close to Daphne's house. I'm sure Matt Parkman walked into town, looking for Hiro and Ando, and since they had been following that 9th Wonders comic so far, decided to check for them in the comic book store there. Sorry, but having a large imagination, as well as a big heart for things I love, I can excuse a lot and defend a lot. Some things I can't... but this complaint was easy to explain/defend... as the explanation was in the actual story line if you were paying attention. Thanks.
Nicky, i agree about the comic book store complaint. but i just think that there is far too much that can not be excused at the moment. i too would love to defend heroes but i am finding it increasingly difficult. a freind of mine who has never seen the show before asked me if it was any good because he was going to buy the box set the other day and i told him that season 1 was absolutely brilliant but not to bother with the others.
so there is sylr happily going about his business, just about to rent a car and drive off. suddenly Elle comes in and says that she has told the owner that he is a killer who has kidknapped her (and look at the smile on her face when she says that).
what options does sylar have? kill him or wait for the police to arrive.
And what kind of a test is that anyway.
all he wanted to do was hire a car!!!!!
JD Says:
December 6th, 2008 12:34 PM
My opinion of Sylar this season...DUMP. Season 1 was great because Sylar was very mysterious and one dimensional-killer. Now theyve overloaded us with episodes about his past, nobody cares about his past, leave him unanswered, is misunderstood and manipulated scary? hell no. its like what they did to the others on Lost, now we know them n we've met them and theyre not in the shadows, theyre not as interesting anymore.
Volume 4 looks good, in my opinion, Nathan will be the villain, everyone else will be hiding on the underground and trying to escape capture, looks like prison break with powers, that sounds awesome to me. Also sylar will be hunting people, awesome, reminiscent of season 1. Improvements?? spend a lot of money, bring back Christopher Eccleston, the invisible man, team him up with Peter, teach peter how to get his abilities back-Peter should have to start from scratch collecting abilities. Get rid of Arthur Petrelli, dont make Ando evil, make Suresh powerless or kill him, Get rid of Ali Larter, shes hot, but annoying, she's had 2 redundant characters in a row now, waste of a pay check on the show, maybe give her a season off and bring in Barbara, only if she's interesting. If Nathan's the villain, don't make him evil just misguided. Take the show back to new york maybe. Something to do with Charles Deveaux would be cool.
JD. agree with everything.
Having Claude come back and teach him yo use his powers again is what should happen, as long as he doesn't get his powers back through this formula.
Please please get rid of all this formula bullshit. heroes should be bigger than this.
I realy hope that heroes doesn't just turn into prison break with powers though.
oh and i just saw 'behind the eclipse 9'. it is obvbious if you look at that, that the writers do not care. most of the genuine queries that fans have, they just laugh off. i thought that it was a very arrogant and disrespectful way to treat fans.( btw i thought the fans were too lenient on them aswel).
hiroka Says:
December 7th, 2008 1:27 AM
JD, I agree with sylar.
Thats what made him so intemidating. Now he is just a mess, I want a villian that is terrifying again. Love Adam and Athur but they aren't as fearful.
Very confused with where this show is heading, the first few episodes were leading into a very different direction. I really want them to explain more about the past, like the companies orgins, Shanti and Chandra, not adding more stuff like a formula and the eclipse giving and removing abilities.
The writers exuses are that the Heroes are to busy, looks like in Fugitives they are going to be just as busy. Can't they give them a little down time.
And what is with Level 5, I thought that the people placed in it had dangurous, powerful abilities. Samedi can't do that much, for that why wasn't Adam placed within Level 5, they share similar abilities.
Love Heroes and hope Volume 4 makes it's comeback.
Jeremy P. Says:
December 8th, 2008 4:48 PM
Season One made me into a fan, but this show just plain sucks. It's lost it's vision. The writers don't care. The characters are becoming more and more annoying by acting illogically - some of these characters are just plain dumb. More and more mysteries and questions are created in each episode that the writers may or may not have any intention of answering. I stopped watching this crap 4 episodes into this season, and from what I've read about it so far - there hasn't been a reason to return.
Does anyone making this show have any artistic integrity anymore? Oh yeah, Bryan Fuller does and he's coming back as a writer - I'm not even sure he can save this mess.
astrialentity Says:
April 27th, 2009 10:20 PM
ok why kill nathan when you can put claires blood in him like they did noah. I loved this show but it really sucks right now. actors should go on strike until they fix the scripts. the holes in the story are so huge. like ando could boost hiros powers, which is what i think that future episode was all about maybe. The end was ok i like what they did except for those plot holes. I'll probably go back to watching if i don't have anything better to do, and no good video game to play, maybe i could mow my grass.
December 4th, 2008 9:28 PM
Some clarity on Elle:
Ok, people. The deal with Elle was that she wanted Sylar to decide for himself who he wanted to be. She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy. After all, she is partly responsible for him turning out the way he did. Do you really think her guilt is so fleeting?
Think of the rental incident as a test, so that he would have to choose: Am I reformed? Am I going to walk away from this? Can I resist the urge, or will I kill? Note that we never get to see what happened other than that they get the car in the end.
Elle has always been a little off, a little inappropriate, has pulled stunts in public like that before. I think people need to pay more attention and not assume she's just evil--clearly she is more complicated than that.
Another point--Recall that Elle was very concerned when Arthur told Sylar to go after Claire. Do you think she was concerned about Claire? Bah. She was worried about Sylar getting in trouble. When they were in the cell at pinehearst, they talked about being able to decide who they want to be, instead of being raised or molded into something (Elle brings this up a number of other times--car rental place, for example). All the evidence points to Elle being genuine in her desire for Sylar to find himself. After all, she's been going through the same thing. Sylar is probably the only person on the show that could possibly understand her.
What is more, I'm pretty sure she thought they might be meant for each other. Two people, troubled pasts, troubled upbringing, together attempting to start anew.
One could even argue that this might have something to do with her lack of a struggle when he was slicing her head. It wasn't a scream, it was whimper. The last time he tried to slice her head open she blasted him with her "little electrical outburst," as Mrs. P described it. The question here is, why didn't this happen again? I suspect we'll find out something in the coming episodes that resolves this issue (but then again, I've thought that about many things and they just get burried under other dead-end plot lines).
...but then again, this might be the incident marking the turn back to evil for Sylar. We know he's a big component of hunting people with abilities in vol 4, so this could be the setup for that (I doubt it, but maybe).
December 5th, 2008 12:00 AM
I agree with alot of what was said above. Howerver, a few things to remeber is that what we do on this site is analize, analize, and then critique. There is so much to tell is this story that they are cutting corners.
1. HRG didnt shoot at the makeout cause he maybe a perve( maybe opening for a later story).
2. Hiro and Ando walked to the comic shop (no powers at the time to teleport)
3. I think they are going with something in the flip flop of Sylar. Remember, you cannot judge a Heroes season until its done.
December 5th, 2008 12:39 AM
Another thing. WHo said taht the powers were injected into everyone. The only people that we know of are the Ali Larter sexiness triplets, Nathan, and Seresh( whom I wish would fall on a hand grenade). It is a goal of Daddy dearest to give powers to an army. I just think that we are all fanatics gone wild.
I agree the writing is spotty at best but all in all it is still a great show. It was very hard to live up to season 1. The bottom line is we are all gonna watch it Monday. Some of us will watch it several times.. lol... lets let the story unravel and see how they pull it all together before we can it.
December 5th, 2008 2:40 AM
I miss the days when Sylar was a magnificently villanous psychopath. Good times. Good times.
December 5th, 2008 8:03 AM
Gino-
"She wasn't necessarily encouraging him to be evil and kill the rental car guy."
yes she was. that was not how the scene was directed or acted. Elle is just as big a nutcase as sylar.
she was encouraging sylar to kill him.
what this i hear about sylar in volume4 searching for answers about his past. just go around slicing peoples heads open. that is what people want to see.
December 5th, 2008 9:00 AM
whatever happened to that picture of the world exploding?
and Hiros visit to the future where he saw that explosion?
December 5th, 2008 11:52 AM
I agree with everything that has been said. The way this show goes now makes me seriously believe these writers are making up everything as they go along, episode-by-episode. There is no planning, only whims. It seems they prefer to just come up with some random crap one moment and leave you stumped and only "answer" the reasoning in these behind the scenes things. Don't get me wrong, that can be ok, but Heroes does it exclusively now.
Sylar losing all his powers except intuitive aptitude and telekinesis is a perfect example. So their answer to Sylar getting telekinesis back along with intuitive aptitude is due to the "emotional trauma"? That...makes no sense. Like I said, I don't mind leaving some questions unanswered and waiting for the writers to comment because most of the time the fans can figure them out. But how the hell could anyone come up with that!? I doubt the writers even knew, they probably forgot Sylar couldn't use telekinesis and just said to hell with it, we'll give some half-arsed excuse, as they did.
December 5th, 2008 1:49 PM
Pablo
In the next two episodes were going to be introduced to a homeless man, played by Chat Faust (Kyle Bauldwin from the 4400) who has the ability to create earthquakes threw seismic activity.
This is the man who can tear the world apart and one of the main threats of the next volume. Along with Nathan and his army of super power soldiers
December 5th, 2008 1:53 PM
Evan
The whole giving sylar Telekinesis is just utter bullshit. The only reason they let him keep that ability is because its his "main" power and the only reason hes a true threat. Theres infinite possibilities with telekinesis so they let him keep that power to keep him an imposing threat....
Problem is, they came up with a bullshit C rated excuses as to why he was able to keep that power...
like I said, bullshit
December 5th, 2008 1:57 PM
I dont need everything answered, leave me guessing some, leaving me wanting more, leave the intrigue and mysticism.
But when you do give answers... dont give bull shit cop out half ass excuses.
December 5th, 2008 4:49 PM
i. like most people, groaned when we found out that Sylar was a member of the Petrelli family.
but now if it turns out that he isn't, i think that could be the last straw.
Jason. Thanks man, i hadn't heard anything about that.
P.sthe great thing about season one was that it did leave many questions unanswered.
i really can't decide whether i think heroes can be saved or not.
December 5th, 2008 4:59 PM
this is the thing that gets to me most. the writers trying to get you to watch the next episode by building something up but then when it comes they don't know what they are doing.
the two biggest examples of this to my mind are:
1.ITS COMING..
what is? nothing happened?
2.this week a hero travels back in time to learn about the villains past.
ok. what did Hiro learn. nothing. and he can't remember it now anyway
3. didn't HRG big up Jesse's powers by saying something like "you don't want to know what this guy can do"
Yeah. Nothing. Sylar killed him in about 30 seconds.
it sounds like i really don't like heroes but i am trying to get through it hoping that it will improve.
i wish i could ignore all of this, but i can't
December 5th, 2008 5:18 PM
well this volume is titled " villians" and come on they cant make up their mind if sylar is good or bad. and knox we dont know all that well... Mr. petrilli, he is O.K. EXCEPT FOR KILLING ADAM MONROE! He was the ONLY good VILLIAN with a BACKROUND! ( he was my fav. villian!!!) This new writter better fix it!
December 5th, 2008 5:42 PM
Just one thing - the comic book store complaint. The comic book store that Hiro and Ando teleported to so that Hiro could "remember" was a completely different comic book store than than the one that they WALKED to after they lost their powers. The first comic book store (the one they teleported to) was in Japan. The second store (the one they walked to - as someone mentioned before) was in Kansas, probably close to Daphne's house. I'm sure Matt Parkman walked into town, looking for Hiro and Ando, and since they had been following that 9th Wonders comic so far, decided to check for them in the comic book store there. Sorry, but having a large imagination, as well as a big heart for things I love, I can excuse a lot and defend a lot. Some things I can't... but this complaint was easy to explain/defend... as the explanation was in the actual story line if you were paying attention. Thanks.
December 5th, 2008 5:58 PM
Nicky, i agree about the comic book store complaint. but i just think that there is far too much that can not be excused at the moment. i too would love to defend heroes but i am finding it increasingly difficult. a freind of mine who has never seen the show before asked me if it was any good because he was going to buy the box set the other day and i told him that season 1 was absolutely brilliant but not to bother with the others.
December 5th, 2008 7:50 PM
Pablo... no, she wasn't. Look again.
December 6th, 2008 7:57 AM
so there is sylr happily going about his business, just about to rent a car and drive off. suddenly Elle comes in and says that she has told the owner that he is a killer who has kidknapped her (and look at the smile on her face when she says that).
what options does sylar have? kill him or wait for the police to arrive.
And what kind of a test is that anyway.
all he wanted to do was hire a car!!!!!
December 6th, 2008 12:34 PM
My opinion of Sylar this season...DUMP. Season 1 was great because Sylar was very mysterious and one dimensional-killer. Now theyve overloaded us with episodes about his past, nobody cares about his past, leave him unanswered, is misunderstood and manipulated scary? hell no. its like what they did to the others on Lost, now we know them n we've met them and theyre not in the shadows, theyre not as interesting anymore.
Volume 4 looks good, in my opinion, Nathan will be the villain, everyone else will be hiding on the underground and trying to escape capture, looks like prison break with powers, that sounds awesome to me. Also sylar will be hunting people, awesome, reminiscent of season 1. Improvements?? spend a lot of money, bring back Christopher Eccleston, the invisible man, team him up with Peter, teach peter how to get his abilities back-Peter should have to start from scratch collecting abilities. Get rid of Arthur Petrelli, dont make Ando evil, make Suresh powerless or kill him, Get rid of Ali Larter, shes hot, but annoying, she's had 2 redundant characters in a row now, waste of a pay check on the show, maybe give her a season off and bring in Barbara, only if she's interesting. If Nathan's the villain, don't make him evil just misguided. Take the show back to new york maybe. Something to do with Charles Deveaux would be cool.
PLEASE READ AND RESPOND, THANK YOU. :)
December 6th, 2008 5:13 PM
JD. agree with everything.
Having Claude come back and teach him yo use his powers again is what should happen, as long as he doesn't get his powers back through this formula.
Please please get rid of all this formula bullshit. heroes should be bigger than this.
I realy hope that heroes doesn't just turn into prison break with powers though.
oh and i just saw 'behind the eclipse 9'. it is obvbious if you look at that, that the writers do not care. most of the genuine queries that fans have, they just laugh off. i thought that it was a very arrogant and disrespectful way to treat fans.( btw i thought the fans were too lenient on them aswel).
December 7th, 2008 1:27 AM
JD, I agree with sylar.
Thats what made him so intemidating. Now he is just a mess, I want a villian that is terrifying again. Love Adam and Athur but they aren't as fearful.
Very confused with where this show is heading, the first few episodes were leading into a very different direction. I really want them to explain more about the past, like the companies orgins, Shanti and Chandra, not adding more stuff like a formula and the eclipse giving and removing abilities.
The writers exuses are that the Heroes are to busy, looks like in Fugitives they are going to be just as busy. Can't they give them a little down time.
And what is with Level 5, I thought that the people placed in it had dangurous, powerful abilities. Samedi can't do that much, for that why wasn't Adam placed within Level 5, they share similar abilities.
Love Heroes and hope Volume 4 makes it's comeback.
December 8th, 2008 4:48 PM
Season One made me into a fan, but this show just plain sucks. It's lost it's vision. The writers don't care. The characters are becoming more and more annoying by acting illogically - some of these characters are just plain dumb. More and more mysteries and questions are created in each episode that the writers may or may not have any intention of answering. I stopped watching this crap 4 episodes into this season, and from what I've read about it so far - there hasn't been a reason to return.
Does anyone making this show have any artistic integrity anymore? Oh yeah, Bryan Fuller does and he's coming back as a writer - I'm not even sure he can save this mess.
April 27th, 2009 10:20 PM
ok why kill nathan when you can put claires blood in him like they did noah. I loved this show but it really sucks right now. actors should go on strike until they fix the scripts. the holes in the story are so huge. like ando could boost hiros powers, which is what i think that future episode was all about maybe. The end was ok i like what they did except for those plot holes. I'll probably go back to watching if i don't have anything better to do, and no good video game to play, maybe i could mow my grass.