that is a good point jason nevr really thought about it and in the future how did hiro know that ando had kiled future him instead of just knocking him out
Maj Says:
December 17th, 2008 9:50 AM
This is relating now a bit to the X-Men universe when the US Gov't was getting involved in collecting Mutants because they were deemed a "Threat" to mankind mostly in part by "SENATOR" Kelly...ahem "SENATOR" Nathan Petrelli..hint hint!!
They unleashed their sentinels to round them up...built concentration camps..harrassed and discriminated them...killed them.. I like the focus on Hitler with the Jews...excellent comparison. Does building a thought in your head telling us to hate people with powers give us the right to strip them of their lives...destroy them? Arent you doing the same as a "Villain"??
Ravenhill Says:
December 17th, 2008 10:36 AM
I think you make an interesting point. Peter hasn't been a "Hero" in the sense of saving people from natural disasters, criminals etc. But then, he hasn't really had the time has he?
From the end of Season One, he's just been on the go. He was locked away by the company, sent to Ireland with amnesia before being taken by Adam on that quest. And as soon as Season 2 ended, Peter was locked away inside the body of Jesse and then unleashed into Season 3. When will the poor guy be able to simply put his feet up and relax, and then go out and fight crime later?
Thats what I want to see. If Season One concludes in November, and Season 2-3 stretch from March to June-ish on the following year, then Peter technically hasn't been home in months. Hows the rent being paid? Surely there's an eviction notice on his door now?
I just think the series is neglecting the characters personal lives a bit, that's all.
Allison Says:
December 17th, 2008 5:19 PM
I think this is where Nathan is coming from - as he told Knox Peter always disappoints and than Nathan comes in and fixes it. The best laid plans of mice and men. All the reasons the world blew up was people with powers that can't control - that's the impression Future Peter gave. And all Nathan is doing, on a larger scale, what his parents we're trying to do - police the unpoliced putting away people, even good people like Stephan Caulfield, not because HE was dangerous, but because his power was.
The question is now will Nathan be out in the open about his power, or hold it under raps. Its reminding me a lot of Nazi Germany, with what can happen, and as the poem goes "I said nothing and than they came for me (and my family). At some point, like in Peter's future, the plan is going to be out of Nathan's control - and what happens when they decide to come for his kids, his family and him.
Nathan is very angry right now and he thinks he's doing the right thing, as much as the 12 and Adam started the company. And as we have learned the good side and the bad side is relative. Its a very adult and dramatic argument and will be interesting to watch.
JD Says:
December 18th, 2008 11:52 AM
I think since Ando's power did kill Hiro, Hiro had no powers at that point we think because he would've stopped time and apparently not even daphne is faster than Hiro. So Ando's power didn't supercharge Hiro's ability, maybe it gave him a heart attach or sped up his brainwaves or something else as he was a normal person.
Nathan is only doing what he's doing because he's pissed off, locking everyone up because of their potential to do bad obviously isn't what he really thinks or he wouldn't have tried to give a single person an ability, his vol3-vol4 theories are opposites.
Evan S. Says:
December 18th, 2008 12:26 PM
Nathan has good intentions at heart but the way he's going about it couldn't be worse. First of all, criminals with abilities like Sylar, Knox, and Flint should definitely be imprisoned and kept away from society. There's nothing wrong with that; the problem is he has classified every single person with abilities dangerous and that they should be separated away from society. It's persecution and that's not good.
Nathan, if anyone, should know there are plenty of people with abilities who are perfectly good individuals. This BS assumption is just bad writing, an attempt at making a shocking twist and setting up a new plot. I sincerely hope he gets axed by the end of next volume because his character has become useless since the end of Season One.
Sezza80 Says:
December 21st, 2008 4:49 PM
Do we know for sure Ando killed Hiro? We saw him knock him down but could he just have been knocked out, Hiro didn't have the best view, I mean he couldn't even lip-read what they were saying correctly (they did not say what the subtitles were, they ACTUALLY said, for anyone not lip-reading in which case go back and check for yourself,
Hiro: It/This is MY mission
Ando: Then you have failed!)
I love Adrian Pasdar but his character is an idiot, to go from the two ideas of give everyone powers to take away everyone with powers in a matter of minutes (I know in the show it was meant to be longer but it's the same as Elle encouraging Sylar to be bad one episode and then the next saying they could start again and he needn't be evil) was just bad writing. I think the writers' strike severely damaged the writers on the show. They all think it improved them but it didn't.
December 17th, 2008 9:48 AM
that is a good point jason nevr really thought about it and in the future how did hiro know that ando had kiled future him instead of just knocking him out
December 17th, 2008 9:50 AM
This is relating now a bit to the X-Men universe when the US Gov't was getting involved in collecting Mutants because they were deemed a "Threat" to mankind mostly in part by "SENATOR" Kelly...ahem "SENATOR" Nathan Petrelli..hint hint!!
They unleashed their sentinels to round them up...built concentration camps..harrassed and discriminated them...killed them.. I like the focus on Hitler with the Jews...excellent comparison. Does building a thought in your head telling us to hate people with powers give us the right to strip them of their lives...destroy them? Arent you doing the same as a "Villain"??
December 17th, 2008 10:36 AM
I think you make an interesting point. Peter hasn't been a "Hero" in the sense of saving people from natural disasters, criminals etc. But then, he hasn't really had the time has he?
From the end of Season One, he's just been on the go. He was locked away by the company, sent to Ireland with amnesia before being taken by Adam on that quest. And as soon as Season 2 ended, Peter was locked away inside the body of Jesse and then unleashed into Season 3. When will the poor guy be able to simply put his feet up and relax, and then go out and fight crime later?
Thats what I want to see. If Season One concludes in November, and Season 2-3 stretch from March to June-ish on the following year, then Peter technically hasn't been home in months. Hows the rent being paid? Surely there's an eviction notice on his door now?
I just think the series is neglecting the characters personal lives a bit, that's all.
December 17th, 2008 5:19 PM
I think this is where Nathan is coming from - as he told Knox Peter always disappoints and than Nathan comes in and fixes it. The best laid plans of mice and men. All the reasons the world blew up was people with powers that can't control - that's the impression Future Peter gave. And all Nathan is doing, on a larger scale, what his parents we're trying to do - police the unpoliced putting away people, even good people like Stephan Caulfield, not because HE was dangerous, but because his power was.
The question is now will Nathan be out in the open about his power, or hold it under raps. Its reminding me a lot of Nazi Germany, with what can happen, and as the poem goes "I said nothing and than they came for me (and my family). At some point, like in Peter's future, the plan is going to be out of Nathan's control - and what happens when they decide to come for his kids, his family and him.
Nathan is very angry right now and he thinks he's doing the right thing, as much as the 12 and Adam started the company. And as we have learned the good side and the bad side is relative. Its a very adult and dramatic argument and will be interesting to watch.
December 18th, 2008 11:52 AM
I think since Ando's power did kill Hiro, Hiro had no powers at that point we think because he would've stopped time and apparently not even daphne is faster than Hiro. So Ando's power didn't supercharge Hiro's ability, maybe it gave him a heart attach or sped up his brainwaves or something else as he was a normal person.
Nathan is only doing what he's doing because he's pissed off, locking everyone up because of their potential to do bad obviously isn't what he really thinks or he wouldn't have tried to give a single person an ability, his vol3-vol4 theories are opposites.
December 18th, 2008 12:26 PM
Nathan has good intentions at heart but the way he's going about it couldn't be worse. First of all, criminals with abilities like Sylar, Knox, and Flint should definitely be imprisoned and kept away from society. There's nothing wrong with that; the problem is he has classified every single person with abilities dangerous and that they should be separated away from society. It's persecution and that's not good.
Nathan, if anyone, should know there are plenty of people with abilities who are perfectly good individuals. This BS assumption is just bad writing, an attempt at making a shocking twist and setting up a new plot. I sincerely hope he gets axed by the end of next volume because his character has become useless since the end of Season One.
December 21st, 2008 4:49 PM
Do we know for sure Ando killed Hiro? We saw him knock him down but could he just have been knocked out, Hiro didn't have the best view, I mean he couldn't even lip-read what they were saying correctly (they did not say what the subtitles were, they ACTUALLY said, for anyone not lip-reading in which case go back and check for yourself,
Hiro: It/This is MY mission
Ando: Then you have failed!)
I love Adrian Pasdar but his character is an idiot, to go from the two ideas of give everyone powers to take away everyone with powers in a matter of minutes (I know in the show it was meant to be longer but it's the same as Elle encouraging Sylar to be bad one episode and then the next saying they could start again and he needn't be evil) was just bad writing. I think the writers' strike severely damaged the writers on the show. They all think it improved them but it didn't.