Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely...
There is no "right" individual, who is the judge for "right" or "wrong" type of person to have it? And who can predict someone's future action if they receive extraordinary power?
About people with abilities to protect America against its enemies... Who protects them from those with abilities? And don't say that America is always right, and its enemies are always wrong, that's not the issue. The issue is people against people, may it be with power or without power.
That I think is the point why Peter, Angela and others are trying to prevent: If you start out with a few "chosen" ones to get the powers, and if just one of them are corrupted, then in the end you will have to give EVERYONE powers to create a balance so the corrupted ones cannot hold themselves above others.
Arthur's vision is to create a "balance" where everyone has power so no one is greater than others, but that won't change the world. You end up right back to the scenario of people killing each others, with power or without power.
That's just something to think about...
Joel Says:
December 10th, 2008 3:11 AM
"Does anyone else feel like we've wasted the last three months of our lives watching a story line that never placed the world in danger?"
WTF? Does that also mean I wasted the last 3 months of my life tuning into this website? Get real, no one wasted any time, unless those who doesn't like to watch Heroes! Come on this season is great so far, unless for those brainless dogs who keep complaning that its too complicated-the storyline is dumb-tim kring is an idiot. Shut the hell up people, if you really do not like the storylines, just get the hell out and stop watching (not refering to this site, refering to those who criticise and criticise).
"We can monitor their progress and take away the abilities if necessary" Are you sure? Are you so sure that the guy will be so willing to let his powers be taken away? If you had a power, and you went from a hero to a villain, would you be such a good boy and turn yourself in?
"We need to take away your abilities as you have been misuing them."
"Ok sir no problem."
Is this the scenario that is going to happen? If you think it is, bolts and nuts are a part of your brain.
Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2008 4:34 AM
Being new to this season of Heroes, i just caught up last weekend with eps 00 to 11 and i cant believe all the crap i am hearing.
This show is Great, Sylars trying to be good and just saying fuckit was fantastic. All the storylines coming to a central point was good writing, just wait till you see it this way on DVD, it was the best superhero megamovie ive seen this year.
Ben Says:
December 10th, 2008 5:00 AM
A select few DO have abilities.
It has to stay that way though. The point is that all those people were never meant to have abilities. If they did, the eclipse would've given everyone them. A few were chosen for a reason. The same reason you said that marines would be a good idea.
Arthur Petrelli and Future Nathan both thought what they were doing was the right thing, but like Peter said...they were wrong.
I.P. Freely Says:
December 10th, 2008 11:23 AM
Hey...its a TV show, and a good one. Just watch and enjoy! Stop complaining...
first off. this is the worst thread you have ever put on this site. (if you tihnk this then you don't understande heroes!!!)
just one question, How did Arthur know where (and when) Hiro and Claire where????????
Maj Says:
December 10th, 2008 1:23 PM
I agree with Arthur. I honestly did not see how the future was going to be so bad. In the beginning of the season Future Peter is talking about preventing all of this: the concentration camps and crazyness...YET...When Present Peter and Future Peter go to the future..all you see are Business Men flying to work..and things ok...WTF was Future Peter talking about...the only thing that was so bad about that Future was Future Claire..They could have showed the concentration camps and chaos to give us a visual picture of what exactly was going to happen. So technically Arthur was not going to allow anything to happen. Present Peter really had to stop nothing. They somewhat showed this when Hiro went to the future and saw the chaos...but that scene had no significance other than Ando killing him.
OH GOD PLEASE LOSE THE TIME TRAVELING...!!!!!!!
Evan S. Says:
December 10th, 2008 1:27 PM
I'n gonna have to disagree with HeroesFanatic this time around. I don't see any "lack of continuity" with the heroes trying to stop the formula from leaking out.
Think how ****ed up this world is now, with all the dangerous, violent, and moronic people out there. Imagine a world where all of these people had abilities. There would be no world because chances are it would be destroyed or in ruin thanks to all the psychos running around with powers. And you actually think the heroes trying to prevent public power gaining is bad?
Besides, it was never shown any of them absolutely opposed the idea of anyone else having abilities. If they needed help and they found trustworthy people, I'm sure they'd like it if they had powers. But that's being selective, and being selective leads to arrogance, and arrogance leads to paranoia and greed, and the snowball just keeps on getting bigger with all the negatives qualities that would develop.
No, it's best that the heroes do stop this. Let nature (or whatever the hell gives these people their powers) dictate who gets them and who doesn't.
britt Says:
December 10th, 2008 1:48 PM
i don't think giving injections that randomly select powers in a genetic lottery for the host is a good thing, especially for military personnel.
all reality of our world and our current involvement in a war aside, giving powers to trained killing machines is not a good idea. period.
also, isn't there a worry that they would go rogue once they have the taste of this power? if absolute power corrupts absolutely, and i firmly believe it does, people given powers will become greedy. not everyone is bad. it's just like our main characters: you have the good, the bad, the morally grey.
i don't think it's a question of "if these people can have powers why can't these other people?" hiro and peter have seen the future when people have powers, and it's not pretty. there is a lot of corruption. why? because there are many people in this world who are inherently bad, and there are many people in this world who may be good people now, but when given this sort of power, could easily turn due to their own greed.
rogue government agents could trade the formula to hostile nations for their own personal gain. would you really want the terrorists in darfur to have super powers?
also, most street drugs begin with science and experimentation. LSD, ecstacy, methamphetamine. the formula could become another street drug. criminals could dilute the formula and sell it to people on the street. sure, the effects would be shorter lasting, but the thrill would be in finding out if every time you took the formula, would you get a different power? that sort of power could become addictive.
or, hell, they could just start selling it black-market style and pretty soon everyone has powers, and the balance between good and evil would become nonexistent.
without some sort of "good" power or control, villainy and crime would rise exponentially. cops would be flipped so easily. if you pit a cop against a criminal, and both of them have powers, what's the point?
there would be infinitely higher rates of violence, death, and criminal activity.
you can't just give the powers to a select few. that's putting too much stock in human kind, especially in the fictional realm of HEROES. there's always corruption. you can't tell me they found a handful of marines - good men who would never possibly betray anyone or harm someone without cause. you can't predict how someone will change, or react, or even act in the future. unless you're the oracle in THE MATRIX.
however, hiro and peter have both jumped into the future and seen what will happen. no one can predict it in the HEROES present, but two characters can definitely see the outcome, and if that's not enough to warrant stopping pinehearst from doling out powers, i don't know what is.
i think most of these posts regarding the faults in HEROES have merit, but this one is a bit ridiculous.
Ah, hell, I was just glad to see Sylar back as a badass. He had two classic lines in this episode:
"Oh, cake."
"It does kind of tingle..."
Pure genius!
plato Says:
December 10th, 2008 2:26 PM
good and evil are relitive concepts. osama bin ladden in his minds eye iam sure thinks he's a good guy and the west are the evil ones sure dosen't he believe god is on his side. george bush in his minds eye iam sure he thinks he's a good and the east are the evil ones sure dosen't he believe god is on his side.
the writers turned the concept around on a penny, they were brave enough to do it but the concept works with all conflict. iam from ireland, it's a constant in irish politics, the people who join the IRA are they terrorists or freedom fighters. the british army are they terroroists or peacekeepers. the answer depends on who ever is asking at the question at the time.
Rick Says:
December 10th, 2008 10:39 PM
I think what someone said about hero vs hero being more exciting is were we are now. Nathan has taken control of his fathers operations. You think Peter had a hard time pulling the trigger on his father... now it's Nathan in the crosshairs. Who will be willing to shoot him. He's a good guy.... right..? I think this is where the conflict was heading all along.
btw... Arther knew when and where Hero was going to get the catalyst because he can draw the future... duh.
hampus Says:
December 11th, 2008 4:20 AM
So the Star Wars theme continues: Nathan who was a good guy has been turned over to the dark force. The Empire (which in the first two movies where the good guys) has turned evil and the heroes join the ex-bad guys since they where after all just opposing the good guys since they thought they where bad and so when the good guys turn bad the bad guys turn good. :-)
Even the useless character Jar-jar is there. Hiro is the fun guy who solves the case by luck or help and then he is tricked by the Villain once again.
Back to heroes:
Q1: what happened to Molly? Daycare? With Parkman moving about in the world and Mohinder working for Pinhearst? Maybe Pinehearst has a Day care center.
Q2: Elle being dead the future we saw can't happen since she was the mother of Sylars son?
Q3: Since no one "got/took" the catalyst when Arthur died, is it gone? or did Peter get all the powers? In that case he would have to be killed???
yes, arthur can paint the future. but unless he painted a picture of hiro and claire holding a calender with the exact time and date on, he couldn't know when they were....duh!!!
Mathew Says:
December 11th, 2008 5:19 AM
If everyone is special.. then no one is..
I wouldnt trust anyone else enough to grant them powers. There would be no end to how bad the situation can be csrewed up. and as we know Heroes is all about the Villains
And there were no habilities involved. Trying to stop Arthur's plan was the only thing that made sense in this volume.
jason Says:
December 11th, 2008 9:54 AM
hampus
Wow you've totally over thought this... and not in a character developmental, psychological or philosophical way. You definitely brought this too a “to many hot pockets for fanboy” level… And for someone who’s putting so much thought into this you sure are missing a lot.
Q1 – Molly was sent off by Mohinder, They never tell you where exactly but it was “someplace safe”… shes not dead, just written off the show.
Q2 – Elle is dead for good… but not once did we ever get confirmation that Elle was the mother of Sylar’s son, that is just what everyone assumed. So keep guessing if you’d like.
Q3 – No peter did not get any of his powers back. And the Catalyst was already used/infused with the formula. If there was any of the catalyst “left in” Arthur (for lack of better words) it’s safe to assume It died with everyone else’s powers.
Pablo
If Hiro and Claire were able to figure out where to and what time to go to by reading a comic…. I’m sure Arthur was able to figure it out. Maybe he read the same comic, maybe he drew the same picture, maybe he’s clairvoyant as well (thou I’m not sure that would help you find out “when” someone is).
jason "maybe he’s clairvoyant" that sounds like something one of the writers would say. (i am pretty sure you were joking, but not completely sure,lol)
he can't of seen the comic because Ando has the only copy.
also has anyone read the last 'behind the eclipse'. are they (Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski) taking the p1ss out of us. they clearly don't care that nothing that they have written makes sense and when fans ask them honest, genuine questions about the show they just laugh them off. especially when they are asked to explain mistakes.
Shawn Says:
December 11th, 2008 6:41 PM
I think it's a bit more simple. I think that Arthur's plan would have worked out fine. The future that Peter and Hiro saw came about because of Peter and Hiro's actions to 'prevent' it. They are the ones that screwed everything up, not Arthur.
Of course, the writers have totally screwed up the time travel stuff. If Claire prevented HRG from taking the baby to receive the catalyst, shouldn't Sylar have just 'killed' her when he took her power in the future since she was no longer 'different from the others'?
That being said, Peter and Claire have both 'died' after getting things stuck in their brains only to regenerate and heal once they were removed. Why can't Arthur be revived if the bullet is just removed from his head? They just aren't doing a good job is staying consistent.
Peter Says:
December 11th, 2008 8:12 PM
Well were up to episode 7 here in NZ and Peter just lost his powers. The great thing I love about this show is it has evolved from the 'Survivior' theme of season one to the
'Good' v's 'Evil' of season two. Now in season 3 the lines have become blurred. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who's manipulating whom? Sylar's struggle with his hunger. The unanswered questions leave so many possibilities open. I can hardly wait to finish this chapter and see what happens in Fugatives.
Kiwifan
Ravenhill Says:
December 13th, 2008 6:38 AM
Okay, so the show has shown us characters using their powers for good, but Villains has introduced the concept of people who have powers and they use them for evil.
Flint and Knox are great examples. We've not looked into their characters in great depth but we've seen how they have no problem using their powers to hurt people.
Lets face it, how many of us know people who would use their powers for morally grey purposes if they had powers? Whats to stop the powers going to tbe marines heads and using them for evil? How does the rest of the world defend against that? It would probably be likely that in the event of such defection, the government would pressure Pinehearst to reveal the formula to them.
And then what? No doubt certain government figures will give themselves powers. Some might give their wives powers, or their children powers. Personally, I think the world is bloody lucky so far that Matt Parkman and Hiro have turned out to be heroes, because if those powers were in the wrong hands, look at what would happen.
So yeah, I can see why Arthur's plan is dangerous.
Now I'm going to use my imagination to solve some other problems.
1- Sylar's son.
Perhaps a person with age-ressesion powers took Noah Bennet back to childhood and Nice Sylar decided to raise him as a means of apology.
2- Arthur would have easily guessed Hiro would try to find the catalyst, which was in the body of Ishi Nakamura. That location seems like the logical place to go. Arthur isn't an idiot.
3- It hasn't been said that the formula can take away powers. Arthur told Mohinder that what he needed was a fresh injection. Perhaps a power will override Mohinder's mutation.
cbhflip Says:
December 18th, 2008 6:19 AM
also i believe mohinder is now cured, but still with powers as the solution would have corrected his previous error although this like the previous statement is my own little theory...
high hopes Says:
January 7th, 2009 8:43 AM
I think their just running out of ideas. The serum idea sucked. It took away from the mystery, I guess I'll just have to adjust the way I view the show from now on. I still enjoy the show, but I am actually hoping for a little bit more action this next volume. I'm a fan of peter's character and hope to see him regain some powers and kick some butt.
Remember, different taste for different people. Its just a TV show and eventually there gonna run out of ideas and fans are gonna get upset.
farnaby23 Says:
January 8th, 2009 6:46 PM
basically, i think heroes is a very clever serial show, as for what i've seen to date, i've enjoyed it very much and i like the odd twist. all these what if's and what might's and what maybe's that everyone is coming up with just shows that everyone is enjoying it in somekind of way, some say it's goofy, others say it's clever... and so on. so what if a small percentage don't like whats happened in the past few episodes? it's a serial thats going on for seasons and volumes, are you trying to tell me that in most of the movies you all like there hasn't been a 10 minute spell that you didn't like? an average movie lasts 1hr 45mins, so what if 10-15 mins is nonsense, heroes has had 47 episodes so far, times that by 43 mins per episode and thats over 33hrs 30mins, so basically you dont like the same percentage of heroes as you didn't like about dirty dancing or whatever movies you're into, and might i add that you haven't seen how heroes ends, although you did see how dirty dancing ends!!!! let's see how this movie ends before we judge it!! note: dirty dancing is not my favorite movie by the way!!!!
December 10th, 2008 2:14 AM
Well, I think the age-old saying sums up best:
Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely...
There is no "right" individual, who is the judge for "right" or "wrong" type of person to have it? And who can predict someone's future action if they receive extraordinary power?
About people with abilities to protect America against its enemies... Who protects them from those with abilities? And don't say that America is always right, and its enemies are always wrong, that's not the issue. The issue is people against people, may it be with power or without power.
That I think is the point why Peter, Angela and others are trying to prevent: If you start out with a few "chosen" ones to get the powers, and if just one of them are corrupted, then in the end you will have to give EVERYONE powers to create a balance so the corrupted ones cannot hold themselves above others.
Arthur's vision is to create a "balance" where everyone has power so no one is greater than others, but that won't change the world. You end up right back to the scenario of people killing each others, with power or without power.
That's just something to think about...
December 10th, 2008 3:11 AM
"Does anyone else feel like we've wasted the last three months of our lives watching a story line that never placed the world in danger?"
WTF? Does that also mean I wasted the last 3 months of my life tuning into this website? Get real, no one wasted any time, unless those who doesn't like to watch Heroes! Come on this season is great so far, unless for those brainless dogs who keep complaning that its too complicated-the storyline is dumb-tim kring is an idiot. Shut the hell up people, if you really do not like the storylines, just get the hell out and stop watching (not refering to this site, refering to those who criticise and criticise).
"We can monitor their progress and take away the abilities if necessary" Are you sure? Are you so sure that the guy will be so willing to let his powers be taken away? If you had a power, and you went from a hero to a villain, would you be such a good boy and turn yourself in?
"We need to take away your abilities as you have been misuing them."
"Ok sir no problem."
Is this the scenario that is going to happen? If you think it is, bolts and nuts are a part of your brain.
December 10th, 2008 4:34 AM
Being new to this season of Heroes, i just caught up last weekend with eps 00 to 11 and i cant believe all the crap i am hearing.
This show is Great, Sylars trying to be good and just saying fuckit was fantastic. All the storylines coming to a central point was good writing, just wait till you see it this way on DVD, it was the best superhero megamovie ive seen this year.
December 10th, 2008 5:00 AM
A select few DO have abilities.
It has to stay that way though. The point is that all those people were never meant to have abilities. If they did, the eclipse would've given everyone them. A few were chosen for a reason. The same reason you said that marines would be a good idea.
Arthur Petrelli and Future Nathan both thought what they were doing was the right thing, but like Peter said...they were wrong.
December 10th, 2008 11:23 AM
Hey...its a TV show, and a good one. Just watch and enjoy! Stop complaining...
December 10th, 2008 11:26 AM
heh heh eh heh hehe heh heh
FIRE! FIRE!
Flint and Meredith are cool!
December 10th, 2008 12:40 PM
first off. this is the worst thread you have ever put on this site. (if you tihnk this then you don't understande heroes!!!)
just one question, How did Arthur know where (and when) Hiro and Claire where????????
December 10th, 2008 1:23 PM
I agree with Arthur. I honestly did not see how the future was going to be so bad. In the beginning of the season Future Peter is talking about preventing all of this: the concentration camps and crazyness...YET...When Present Peter and Future Peter go to the future..all you see are Business Men flying to work..and things ok...WTF was Future Peter talking about...the only thing that was so bad about that Future was Future Claire..They could have showed the concentration camps and chaos to give us a visual picture of what exactly was going to happen. So technically Arthur was not going to allow anything to happen. Present Peter really had to stop nothing. They somewhat showed this when Hiro went to the future and saw the chaos...but that scene had no significance other than Ando killing him.
OH GOD PLEASE LOSE THE TIME TRAVELING...!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2008 1:27 PM
I'n gonna have to disagree with HeroesFanatic this time around. I don't see any "lack of continuity" with the heroes trying to stop the formula from leaking out.
Think how ****ed up this world is now, with all the dangerous, violent, and moronic people out there. Imagine a world where all of these people had abilities. There would be no world because chances are it would be destroyed or in ruin thanks to all the psychos running around with powers. And you actually think the heroes trying to prevent public power gaining is bad?
Besides, it was never shown any of them absolutely opposed the idea of anyone else having abilities. If they needed help and they found trustworthy people, I'm sure they'd like it if they had powers. But that's being selective, and being selective leads to arrogance, and arrogance leads to paranoia and greed, and the snowball just keeps on getting bigger with all the negatives qualities that would develop.
No, it's best that the heroes do stop this. Let nature (or whatever the hell gives these people their powers) dictate who gets them and who doesn't.
December 10th, 2008 1:48 PM
i don't think giving injections that randomly select powers in a genetic lottery for the host is a good thing, especially for military personnel.
all reality of our world and our current involvement in a war aside, giving powers to trained killing machines is not a good idea. period.
also, isn't there a worry that they would go rogue once they have the taste of this power? if absolute power corrupts absolutely, and i firmly believe it does, people given powers will become greedy. not everyone is bad. it's just like our main characters: you have the good, the bad, the morally grey.
i don't think it's a question of "if these people can have powers why can't these other people?" hiro and peter have seen the future when people have powers, and it's not pretty. there is a lot of corruption. why? because there are many people in this world who are inherently bad, and there are many people in this world who may be good people now, but when given this sort of power, could easily turn due to their own greed.
rogue government agents could trade the formula to hostile nations for their own personal gain. would you really want the terrorists in darfur to have super powers?
also, most street drugs begin with science and experimentation. LSD, ecstacy, methamphetamine. the formula could become another street drug. criminals could dilute the formula and sell it to people on the street. sure, the effects would be shorter lasting, but the thrill would be in finding out if every time you took the formula, would you get a different power? that sort of power could become addictive.
or, hell, they could just start selling it black-market style and pretty soon everyone has powers, and the balance between good and evil would become nonexistent.
without some sort of "good" power or control, villainy and crime would rise exponentially. cops would be flipped so easily. if you pit a cop against a criminal, and both of them have powers, what's the point?
there would be infinitely higher rates of violence, death, and criminal activity.
you can't just give the powers to a select few. that's putting too much stock in human kind, especially in the fictional realm of HEROES. there's always corruption. you can't tell me they found a handful of marines - good men who would never possibly betray anyone or harm someone without cause. you can't predict how someone will change, or react, or even act in the future. unless you're the oracle in THE MATRIX.
however, hiro and peter have both jumped into the future and seen what will happen. no one can predict it in the HEROES present, but two characters can definitely see the outcome, and if that's not enough to warrant stopping pinehearst from doling out powers, i don't know what is.
i think most of these posts regarding the faults in HEROES have merit, but this one is a bit ridiculous.
December 10th, 2008 1:52 PM
Ah, hell, I was just glad to see Sylar back as a badass. He had two classic lines in this episode:
"Oh, cake."
"It does kind of tingle..."
Pure genius!
December 10th, 2008 2:26 PM
good and evil are relitive concepts. osama bin ladden in his minds eye iam sure thinks he's a good guy and the west are the evil ones sure dosen't he believe god is on his side. george bush in his minds eye iam sure he thinks he's a good and the east are the evil ones sure dosen't he believe god is on his side.
the writers turned the concept around on a penny, they were brave enough to do it but the concept works with all conflict. iam from ireland, it's a constant in irish politics, the people who join the IRA are they terrorists or freedom fighters. the british army are they terroroists or peacekeepers. the answer depends on who ever is asking at the question at the time.
December 10th, 2008 10:39 PM
I think what someone said about hero vs hero being more exciting is were we are now. Nathan has taken control of his fathers operations. You think Peter had a hard time pulling the trigger on his father... now it's Nathan in the crosshairs. Who will be willing to shoot him. He's a good guy.... right..? I think this is where the conflict was heading all along.
btw... Arther knew when and where Hero was going to get the catalyst because he can draw the future... duh.
December 11th, 2008 4:20 AM
So the Star Wars theme continues: Nathan who was a good guy has been turned over to the dark force. The Empire (which in the first two movies where the good guys) has turned evil and the heroes join the ex-bad guys since they where after all just opposing the good guys since they thought they where bad and so when the good guys turn bad the bad guys turn good. :-)
Even the useless character Jar-jar is there. Hiro is the fun guy who solves the case by luck or help and then he is tricked by the Villain once again.
Back to heroes:
Q1: what happened to Molly? Daycare? With Parkman moving about in the world and Mohinder working for Pinhearst? Maybe Pinehearst has a Day care center.
Q2: Elle being dead the future we saw can't happen since she was the mother of Sylars son?
Q3: Since no one "got/took" the catalyst when Arthur died, is it gone? or did Peter get all the powers? In that case he would have to be killed???
December 11th, 2008 5:10 AM
how did arthur know hwere claire and hiro were?
yes, arthur can paint the future. but unless he painted a picture of hiro and claire holding a calender with the exact time and date on, he couldn't know when they were....duh!!!
December 11th, 2008 5:19 AM
If everyone is special.. then no one is..
I wouldnt trust anyone else enough to grant them powers. There would be no end to how bad the situation can be csrewed up. and as we know Heroes is all about the Villains
December 11th, 2008 9:26 AM
Oh, God, you can't be serious.
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
http://images.google.com.br/images?um=1&hl=pt-BR&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Apt-BR%3Aofficial&hs=xM7&q=hiroshima+dead&btnG=Pesquisar+imagens
And there were no habilities involved. Trying to stop Arthur's plan was the only thing that made sense in this volume.
December 11th, 2008 9:54 AM
hampus
Wow you've totally over thought this... and not in a character developmental, psychological or philosophical way. You definitely brought this too a “to many hot pockets for fanboy” level… And for someone who’s putting so much thought into this you sure are missing a lot.
Q1 – Molly was sent off by Mohinder, They never tell you where exactly but it was “someplace safe”… shes not dead, just written off the show.
Q2 – Elle is dead for good… but not once did we ever get confirmation that Elle was the mother of Sylar’s son, that is just what everyone assumed. So keep guessing if you’d like.
Q3 – No peter did not get any of his powers back. And the Catalyst was already used/infused with the formula. If there was any of the catalyst “left in” Arthur (for lack of better words) it’s safe to assume It died with everyone else’s powers.
Pablo
If Hiro and Claire were able to figure out where to and what time to go to by reading a comic…. I’m sure Arthur was able to figure it out. Maybe he read the same comic, maybe he drew the same picture, maybe he’s clairvoyant as well (thou I’m not sure that would help you find out “when” someone is).
December 11th, 2008 10:50 AM
jason "maybe he’s clairvoyant" that sounds like something one of the writers would say. (i am pretty sure you were joking, but not completely sure,lol)
he can't of seen the comic because Ando has the only copy.
also has anyone read the last 'behind the eclipse'. are they (Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski) taking the p1ss out of us. they clearly don't care that nothing that they have written makes sense and when fans ask them honest, genuine questions about the show they just laugh them off. especially when they are asked to explain mistakes.
December 11th, 2008 6:41 PM
I think it's a bit more simple. I think that Arthur's plan would have worked out fine. The future that Peter and Hiro saw came about because of Peter and Hiro's actions to 'prevent' it. They are the ones that screwed everything up, not Arthur.
Of course, the writers have totally screwed up the time travel stuff. If Claire prevented HRG from taking the baby to receive the catalyst, shouldn't Sylar have just 'killed' her when he took her power in the future since she was no longer 'different from the others'?
That being said, Peter and Claire have both 'died' after getting things stuck in their brains only to regenerate and heal once they were removed. Why can't Arthur be revived if the bullet is just removed from his head? They just aren't doing a good job is staying consistent.
December 11th, 2008 8:12 PM
Well were up to episode 7 here in NZ and Peter just lost his powers. The great thing I love about this show is it has evolved from the 'Survivior' theme of season one to the
'Good' v's 'Evil' of season two. Now in season 3 the lines have become blurred. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who's manipulating whom? Sylar's struggle with his hunger. The unanswered questions leave so many possibilities open. I can hardly wait to finish this chapter and see what happens in Fugatives.
Kiwifan
December 13th, 2008 6:38 AM
Okay, so the show has shown us characters using their powers for good, but Villains has introduced the concept of people who have powers and they use them for evil.
Flint and Knox are great examples. We've not looked into their characters in great depth but we've seen how they have no problem using their powers to hurt people.
Lets face it, how many of us know people who would use their powers for morally grey purposes if they had powers? Whats to stop the powers going to tbe marines heads and using them for evil? How does the rest of the world defend against that? It would probably be likely that in the event of such defection, the government would pressure Pinehearst to reveal the formula to them.
And then what? No doubt certain government figures will give themselves powers. Some might give their wives powers, or their children powers. Personally, I think the world is bloody lucky so far that Matt Parkman and Hiro have turned out to be heroes, because if those powers were in the wrong hands, look at what would happen.
So yeah, I can see why Arthur's plan is dangerous.
Now I'm going to use my imagination to solve some other problems.
1- Sylar's son.
Perhaps a person with age-ressesion powers took Noah Bennet back to childhood and Nice Sylar decided to raise him as a means of apology.
2- Arthur would have easily guessed Hiro would try to find the catalyst, which was in the body of Ishi Nakamura. That location seems like the logical place to go. Arthur isn't an idiot.
3- It hasn't been said that the formula can take away powers. Arthur told Mohinder that what he needed was a fresh injection. Perhaps a power will override Mohinder's mutation.
December 18th, 2008 6:19 AM
also i believe mohinder is now cured, but still with powers as the solution would have corrected his previous error although this like the previous statement is my own little theory...
January 7th, 2009 8:43 AM
I think their just running out of ideas. The serum idea sucked. It took away from the mystery, I guess I'll just have to adjust the way I view the show from now on. I still enjoy the show, but I am actually hoping for a little bit more action this next volume. I'm a fan of peter's character and hope to see him regain some powers and kick some butt.
Remember, different taste for different people. Its just a TV show and eventually there gonna run out of ideas and fans are gonna get upset.
January 8th, 2009 6:46 PM
basically, i think heroes is a very clever serial show, as for what i've seen to date, i've enjoyed it very much and i like the odd twist. all these what if's and what might's and what maybe's that everyone is coming up with just shows that everyone is enjoying it in somekind of way, some say it's goofy, others say it's clever... and so on. so what if a small percentage don't like whats happened in the past few episodes? it's a serial thats going on for seasons and volumes, are you trying to tell me that in most of the movies you all like there hasn't been a 10 minute spell that you didn't like? an average movie lasts 1hr 45mins, so what if 10-15 mins is nonsense, heroes has had 47 episodes so far, times that by 43 mins per episode and thats over 33hrs 30mins, so basically you dont like the same percentage of heroes as you didn't like about dirty dancing or whatever movies you're into, and might i add that you haven't seen how heroes ends, although you did see how dirty dancing ends!!!! let's see how this movie ends before we judge it!! note: dirty dancing is not my favorite movie by the way!!!!