i like flashback episodes, and as for alice bein left bhind i think that there was another prophet at the camp or someone else who knew what woud happen in th futur, mayb thay told alice to stay for some reason like keepin the owrld safe, lets face it her power is pretty dangerous and she wasn't the most 'controllable' person when it came to powers was she? the petrelli's can be boring but i love em! i think that they intentionally left those plotholes, kinda like how they didn't reveal all in 'six monthes ago...' they're intentionally leavin stuff out for future episodes so that it can be explained better. dont you want a mystery to solve?
Sezza80 Says:
April 14th, 2009 8:49 AM
I'm not convinced about the whole leaving her behind thing. If Angela was really that concerned about Suresh then why leave her sister there (she said she had a dream about Suresh, could it have been when he slapped her sister and then all that mayhem started, cos if so why the hell leave your sister behind to face that, let alone your parents?! It's one thing for a rational adult to sum up the situation and make informed decisions but she was an emotional 16 year old, she wouldn't leave her family, and especially not wait til her sister had made the weather go crazy so she couldn't help)? The 'she'll slow us down' thing just doesn't work for me. I do like the mystery of the show and it's fun finding out things but they're not always solved and I fear this will be one of those situations. If they do explain later then great, I really hope they do (I just suspect they won't).
I really wanted to enjoy this episode, and in some ways I did, it could have been better is all.
as for the company background,actually they didn't really destroy it...all she said was i had a dream one day we will start a company, cause i mean really it was said that adam founded it for his own personal gain but maybe her dream wasn't the most detailed. But I did like how finally after 2 and 4/5 seasons we finally got to see charles' power. Anyway, as far as her saying we'll form a company...i mean did she say everyone who was in it, when they'd do it, how, where, i mean all she vaguely told them was we'll start one. I know when it comes to heroes we all want to pick it apart as quick as possible, but people need to realize that nothing they ever could or would do will measure up to season 1 no matter how hard they tried cause the idea was so new and fresh then, I think we all need to accept that cause if not we're only going to keep trashing the show for the littlest things. And also if you haven't noticed the only thing that stuck from season two was niki dying, Elle - dead bob - dead adam - dead monica - never cast again west - showed up in a web comic. At the end of season two bob calls angela and says sorry for shooting nathan then in season three we find out it was future peter...all I'm saying is any storyline developed in season two, don't put any faith in it cause it was a dud..which sucks cause i think it would have been awesome.
Jason Says:
April 14th, 2009 9:21 AM
This wasnt the best episode in terms of excitement but it served more as the set up for the end of the season and leading into season 4.
In the next plot arc there is goign to be a main (FEMALE) villian that is introduced "at the end of Volume 4". Last nights episode was the set up and introduced us to our villian of next season, Alice.
As for why Angela just left Alice there.... well for one, her parents are there. She left her sister with her parents... thats really not all that bad. Angela didn't take Alice with because the plan was to escape and find help. The whole reason to escape was to get out, get help, and get back ASAP. But the very first night they left hell broke loose in crapola sands and when Angela and co. (its assumed that they did) get back to crapola sands. Everyone they tried to save would have been dead...
That is really what started the company... Maybe Adam founded it but it was that night that really put things in motion. Angela and co. then goes on to erase memorys, kill, and make people diapear untill every trace of their existance is gone....
Alice goes into hiding for 50 years creating an extreamly mentaly and emotionaly unstable person with what I would call devistating powers. i just hope the actress who plays Alice is up to the task, thats not going to be an easy role to sell considering she's so unstable.
gotay78 Says:
April 14th, 2009 10:16 AM
Pretty dull episode, but I think that it sets up Alice to either be a villian in Season 5 or to have some main part in next season. Otherwise, this is getting worse than the last season of OZ and Soprano's combined! Also, I wish they showed more into the History of Dr. Suresh and Sylar...and more especially on Samson's childhood and how he grew into a killer from the hunger...We'll I guess we'll see what happens next..
Joel Says:
April 14th, 2009 10:49 AM
TOTALLY AGREE WITH Abrown2382
ninis Says:
April 14th, 2009 12:46 PM
i totally agree with both ABROWN2382 and alsooooo with SEZA80......whats wrong with u poeple they are making rules and basics of the season 4 but soo far its about time we see the petrelli boys togather.
rock on peter
JDog Says:
April 14th, 2009 12:56 PM
Surely they should have had at least one reference to Adam being the dude who brought them all together.
FanOHeroes Says:
April 14th, 2009 1:04 PM
As for leaving Alice behind. Their intentions were pretty clear that they were heading out and going to get back after they alerted the authorities. Angela even said she needed to get socks for Alice before they got back.
Alice couldn't go because they were coming back anyway and the boys wouldn't let her come. Why is this a plot hole??
SamNoel Says:
April 14th, 2009 2:18 PM
I personally thought this was a good episode.
It actually had a point... it revealed how and why there group was started.
And the part at the end, when Nathan sees him self on TV was pretty badass.
Sure the episode could have used more Sylar, but it was good!
hrgfan Says:
April 14th, 2009 2:49 PM
I liked the episode. especially at the end when angela watches her family sitting at the same table she and the boys sat in when the company began. and when sylar is masquerading as nathan.
Surely the 'socks' thing explains why Angela got arrested for stealing in Season 1.
mike Says:
April 14th, 2009 3:10 PM
this episode was OK but could of been better. as for bob power is turning anything he touches in to gold , remember when sylar was fighting elle in primetech, sylar was holding a gun and told her see what your father could do, and turned it to solid gold. to many commercials on this show but maybe if ratings go up that will not show so many dam commercials. i do hope season 4 is better.
F.D. Says:
April 14th, 2009 3:26 PM
Why is everyone so obsessed about WHY Angela left her behind? They were teens. Teens NEVER want to bring their little bros & sisters around. Charles said it: "She would slow us down." I can't see why everyone is making such a big deal about it.
The only thing I find questionable is how her reaction to Suresh started a holocaust. "A terrified girl running around? QUICK, let's shoot everyone!". Probably explainable by the fact that the military guys were tense and not comfortable with people with abilities, but it should've been more emphasized.
I personally enjoy these flashback episodes helping character development. They actually need more of them. For example, this episode basically showed us how Arthur obtained the mind manipulation ability. We'll need one to explain how it happened and why Linderman didn't heal him when he was sick since they were apparently buddies at some point. Did Arthur steal Charles' ability and Linderman purposely let him die? Or did Deveaux willingly give his ability away before peacefully passing out, refusing to be healed ?
those are intriguing thoughts F.D. I don't think anyone knew Arthur survived, remember Arthur mind manipulated the doctor into making people believe he died and that he had been cremated
Ben Says:
April 14th, 2009 5:37 PM
How long do I have to wait before Peter gets his old power back.
I'm giving them 2 episodes, if not then i'm out
PAIRLOVER Says:
April 14th, 2009 7:12 PM
you people all suck.How dare you not like this episode.It told us how the idea of the company was brought in, Nathan and Peter made up (kinda), and we learned a lot a about Angela's sister Alice and she may be a big part of the upcoming episode or season.Overall I do think that this episode was tad on the boring side but overall awesome.
P.S. CUT THOSE BANGS CLAIRE YOU LOOK TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FD if you will remember the flashback of the patrellis at some uppity up shin dig Linderman was dealing with Arthur until he couldnt keep Nathan under control. Linderman heal Angela's mind and baited her to kill Arthur. Linderman wanted Arthur out of the way.. Thats why he didnt heal him.
Devereaux had his ability at death. Thats why he spoke the way he did to Peter. I dont think he was a telepath I think he had a Silver tongue. Meaning he could convince people of anything he spoke or persuation by voice. If he had telepathy he would have known what the deal with the camp was.
I agree that this was the set-up show. Fuller came in so late in the season that he needed one entire Ep to bait the next season. The sis will either be the villian or another intrical part of the show. Plus it forshadowed a company birth. now that the next season is set up next week will be back to bad ass. Real Nathan DIES. Who wnats to put money down on it.
Ratings are down because the same people that love Heroes also love 24 so they DVR heroes cause 24 is kick ass this season. Damn Fox did that crap on perpose.
I definitely think that I really enjoy this episode so much. So, we finally know how Primatech Company was set up and whose idea was it to build that company. Oh, I'm glad to know what Charles Deveaux's power was. He's a powerful telepathy. And I think Peter's power(the old one) is still with him. It is just a matter of time for him to know that he's power is evolving like his dad.
Derek Says:
April 14th, 2009 10:17 PM
This episode set up that this exact thing happened before, and that the company was created because of this. Angela wanted to get the family back together to create another "Company," so to speak, though this time perhaps one that is more of a family than a "Company."
SGN Says:
April 15th, 2009 3:30 AM
The reason this episode seems out of place but is not is that you are missing layers of symbolic meaning. Let me explain.
Alice's power is a reference to William Reich's experiments with orgone energy and weather control. Around 1961, this research was burned by the government. The character 'bob bishop' relates to robert anton wilson (who is called 'pope bob' by the church of the subgenius), who wrote about alchemy and psychedelics and things like that. When you see people with skulls in their foreheads being dug up, and angela says "you have to keep digging' she's talking to the audience, not to the other people. those holes in their foreheads relate to the concept of 'third eye' which involves both psychedelia and unlocking mental powers. flying represents getting high. Etc.
So a lot of the action here was driven by the symbolic level of the show that relates to concepts like sex magick, multiple layers of meaning, and esoteric theories in psychedelia (like stuff 'pope bob' ie 'bob bishop' wrote). At the level of a comic book story, it may have seemed out of place, but there is deep symbolism embedded in the story (at least when the good writers are back in charge) all of you seem to be missing entirely. Because the Danko storyline relates to the DEA and the war on drugs, this diversion made sense from the point of view of the symbolism embedded in the story the writers are laughing at you for thinking is about super heroes.
remember when the actress who plays angela said something about imagining the company was hatched at woodstock. that wasn't an irrelevant aside. 'you have to keep digging' to understand what's really being implied by the action. And when you do, it's brilliant. I thought this was one of the best episode yet.
gwailo Says:
April 15th, 2009 3:58 AM
i think this was a nice ep love to see the flashbacks and understand more of angela:). Milcmann i think too that nathan wil die :):(:(
April 14th, 2009 6:12 AM
i like flashback episodes, and as for alice bein left bhind i think that there was another prophet at the camp or someone else who knew what woud happen in th futur, mayb thay told alice to stay for some reason like keepin the owrld safe, lets face it her power is pretty dangerous and she wasn't the most 'controllable' person when it came to powers was she? the petrelli's can be boring but i love em! i think that they intentionally left those plotholes, kinda like how they didn't reveal all in 'six monthes ago...' they're intentionally leavin stuff out for future episodes so that it can be explained better. dont you want a mystery to solve?
April 14th, 2009 8:49 AM
I'm not convinced about the whole leaving her behind thing. If Angela was really that concerned about Suresh then why leave her sister there (she said she had a dream about Suresh, could it have been when he slapped her sister and then all that mayhem started, cos if so why the hell leave your sister behind to face that, let alone your parents?! It's one thing for a rational adult to sum up the situation and make informed decisions but she was an emotional 16 year old, she wouldn't leave her family, and especially not wait til her sister had made the weather go crazy so she couldn't help)? The 'she'll slow us down' thing just doesn't work for me. I do like the mystery of the show and it's fun finding out things but they're not always solved and I fear this will be one of those situations. If they do explain later then great, I really hope they do (I just suspect they won't).
I really wanted to enjoy this episode, and in some ways I did, it could have been better is all.
April 14th, 2009 9:07 AM
as for the company background,actually they didn't really destroy it...all she said was i had a dream one day we will start a company, cause i mean really it was said that adam founded it for his own personal gain but maybe her dream wasn't the most detailed. But I did like how finally after 2 and 4/5 seasons we finally got to see charles' power. Anyway, as far as her saying we'll form a company...i mean did she say everyone who was in it, when they'd do it, how, where, i mean all she vaguely told them was we'll start one. I know when it comes to heroes we all want to pick it apart as quick as possible, but people need to realize that nothing they ever could or would do will measure up to season 1 no matter how hard they tried cause the idea was so new and fresh then, I think we all need to accept that cause if not we're only going to keep trashing the show for the littlest things. And also if you haven't noticed the only thing that stuck from season two was niki dying, Elle - dead bob - dead adam - dead monica - never cast again west - showed up in a web comic. At the end of season two bob calls angela and says sorry for shooting nathan then in season three we find out it was future peter...all I'm saying is any storyline developed in season two, don't put any faith in it cause it was a dud..which sucks cause i think it would have been awesome.
April 14th, 2009 9:21 AM
This wasnt the best episode in terms of excitement but it served more as the set up for the end of the season and leading into season 4.
In the next plot arc there is goign to be a main (FEMALE) villian that is introduced "at the end of Volume 4". Last nights episode was the set up and introduced us to our villian of next season, Alice.
As for why Angela just left Alice there.... well for one, her parents are there. She left her sister with her parents... thats really not all that bad. Angela didn't take Alice with because the plan was to escape and find help. The whole reason to escape was to get out, get help, and get back ASAP. But the very first night they left hell broke loose in crapola sands and when Angela and co. (its assumed that they did) get back to crapola sands. Everyone they tried to save would have been dead...
That is really what started the company... Maybe Adam founded it but it was that night that really put things in motion. Angela and co. then goes on to erase memorys, kill, and make people diapear untill every trace of their existance is gone....
Alice goes into hiding for 50 years creating an extreamly mentaly and emotionaly unstable person with what I would call devistating powers. i just hope the actress who plays Alice is up to the task, thats not going to be an easy role to sell considering she's so unstable.
April 14th, 2009 10:16 AM
Pretty dull episode, but I think that it sets up Alice to either be a villian in Season 5 or to have some main part in next season. Otherwise, this is getting worse than the last season of OZ and Soprano's combined! Also, I wish they showed more into the History of Dr. Suresh and Sylar...and more especially on Samson's childhood and how he grew into a killer from the hunger...We'll I guess we'll see what happens next..
April 14th, 2009 10:49 AM
TOTALLY AGREE WITH Abrown2382
April 14th, 2009 12:46 PM
i totally agree with both ABROWN2382 and alsooooo with SEZA80......whats wrong with u poeple they are making rules and basics of the season 4 but soo far its about time we see the petrelli boys togather.
rock on peter
April 14th, 2009 12:56 PM
Surely they should have had at least one reference to Adam being the dude who brought them all together.
April 14th, 2009 1:04 PM
As for leaving Alice behind. Their intentions were pretty clear that they were heading out and going to get back after they alerted the authorities. Angela even said she needed to get socks for Alice before they got back.
April 14th, 2009 1:39 PM
Alice couldn't go because they were coming back anyway and the boys wouldn't let her come. Why is this a plot hole??
April 14th, 2009 2:18 PM
I personally thought this was a good episode.
It actually had a point... it revealed how and why there group was started.
And the part at the end, when Nathan sees him self on TV was pretty badass.
Sure the episode could have used more Sylar, but it was good!
April 14th, 2009 2:49 PM
I liked the episode. especially at the end when angela watches her family sitting at the same table she and the boys sat in when the company began. and when sylar is masquerading as nathan.
April 14th, 2009 2:59 PM
Surely the 'socks' thing explains why Angela got arrested for stealing in Season 1.
April 14th, 2009 3:10 PM
this episode was OK but could of been better. as for bob power is turning anything he touches in to gold , remember when sylar was fighting elle in primetech, sylar was holding a gun and told her see what your father could do, and turned it to solid gold. to many commercials on this show but maybe if ratings go up that will not show so many dam commercials. i do hope season 4 is better.
April 14th, 2009 3:26 PM
Why is everyone so obsessed about WHY Angela left her behind? They were teens. Teens NEVER want to bring their little bros & sisters around. Charles said it: "She would slow us down." I can't see why everyone is making such a big deal about it.
The only thing I find questionable is how her reaction to Suresh started a holocaust. "A terrified girl running around? QUICK, let's shoot everyone!". Probably explainable by the fact that the military guys were tense and not comfortable with people with abilities, but it should've been more emphasized.
I personally enjoy these flashback episodes helping character development. They actually need more of them. For example, this episode basically showed us how Arthur obtained the mind manipulation ability. We'll need one to explain how it happened and why Linderman didn't heal him when he was sick since they were apparently buddies at some point. Did Arthur steal Charles' ability and Linderman purposely let him die? Or did Deveaux willingly give his ability away before peacefully passing out, refusing to be healed ?
April 14th, 2009 4:50 PM
those are intriguing thoughts F.D. I don't think anyone knew Arthur survived, remember Arthur mind manipulated the doctor into making people believe he died and that he had been cremated
April 14th, 2009 5:37 PM
How long do I have to wait before Peter gets his old power back.
I'm giving them 2 episodes, if not then i'm out
April 14th, 2009 7:12 PM
you people all suck.How dare you not like this episode.It told us how the idea of the company was brought in, Nathan and Peter made up (kinda), and we learned a lot a about Angela's sister Alice and she may be a big part of the upcoming episode or season.Overall I do think that this episode was tad on the boring side but overall awesome.
P.S. CUT THOSE BANGS CLAIRE YOU LOOK TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 14th, 2009 7:49 PM
FD if you will remember the flashback of the patrellis at some uppity up shin dig Linderman was dealing with Arthur until he couldnt keep Nathan under control. Linderman heal Angela's mind and baited her to kill Arthur. Linderman wanted Arthur out of the way.. Thats why he didnt heal him.
Devereaux had his ability at death. Thats why he spoke the way he did to Peter. I dont think he was a telepath I think he had a Silver tongue. Meaning he could convince people of anything he spoke or persuation by voice. If he had telepathy he would have known what the deal with the camp was.
I agree that this was the set-up show. Fuller came in so late in the season that he needed one entire Ep to bait the next season. The sis will either be the villian or another intrical part of the show. Plus it forshadowed a company birth. now that the next season is set up next week will be back to bad ass. Real Nathan DIES. Who wnats to put money down on it.
April 14th, 2009 7:51 PM
Ratings are down because the same people that love Heroes also love 24 so they DVR heroes cause 24 is kick ass this season. Damn Fox did that crap on perpose.
April 14th, 2009 7:51 PM
*purpose
April 14th, 2009 8:18 PM
I definitely think that I really enjoy this episode so much. So, we finally know how Primatech Company was set up and whose idea was it to build that company. Oh, I'm glad to know what Charles Deveaux's power was. He's a powerful telepathy. And I think Peter's power(the old one) is still with him. It is just a matter of time for him to know that he's power is evolving like his dad.
April 14th, 2009 10:17 PM
This episode set up that this exact thing happened before, and that the company was created because of this. Angela wanted to get the family back together to create another "Company," so to speak, though this time perhaps one that is more of a family than a "Company."
April 15th, 2009 3:30 AM
The reason this episode seems out of place but is not is that you are missing layers of symbolic meaning. Let me explain.
Alice's power is a reference to William Reich's experiments with orgone energy and weather control. Around 1961, this research was burned by the government. The character 'bob bishop' relates to robert anton wilson (who is called 'pope bob' by the church of the subgenius), who wrote about alchemy and psychedelics and things like that. When you see people with skulls in their foreheads being dug up, and angela says "you have to keep digging' she's talking to the audience, not to the other people. those holes in their foreheads relate to the concept of 'third eye' which involves both psychedelia and unlocking mental powers. flying represents getting high. Etc.
So a lot of the action here was driven by the symbolic level of the show that relates to concepts like sex magick, multiple layers of meaning, and esoteric theories in psychedelia (like stuff 'pope bob' ie 'bob bishop' wrote). At the level of a comic book story, it may have seemed out of place, but there is deep symbolism embedded in the story (at least when the good writers are back in charge) all of you seem to be missing entirely. Because the Danko storyline relates to the DEA and the war on drugs, this diversion made sense from the point of view of the symbolism embedded in the story the writers are laughing at you for thinking is about super heroes.
remember when the actress who plays angela said something about imagining the company was hatched at woodstock. that wasn't an irrelevant aside. 'you have to keep digging' to understand what's really being implied by the action. And when you do, it's brilliant. I thought this was one of the best episode yet.
April 15th, 2009 3:58 AM
i think this was a nice ep love to see the flashbacks and understand more of angela:). Milcmann i think too that nathan wil die :):(:(